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Billiards able, circa 1860s<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

      The corner of Broadway and Houston street used to be one of the \u201chead centres\u201d of billiards in this city, when kept by Pierre Carme, the French billiard sport.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      This Pierre Carme was a curious sort of a chap. Most men that are great on \u201cwind\u201d are not great on anythin\u2019 else; but Carme was not only \u201cfussy\u201d in his talk, but when he chose he was fine in his performance.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      He not only talked and printed a good deal\u2013and a good deal too much\u2013about billiards, but he really played some splendid games of billiards himself.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Pierre Carme<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

      He was great on fancy shots. He could execute all sorts of seemin\u2019 impossibilities on a billiard table. And it was these fancy shots rather than his regular games that made him so famous in his time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Carme was a strikin\u2019 example of the truth of what Dudley Kavanagh once said\u2013that \u201ca billiard player, like a poet, is born, not made,\u201d that skill at billiards is a knack, a gift, not a somethin\u2019 that can be got without any great aptitude just by study and practice.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      All the crack billiard players of this country got to be great before they got to be old. They \u201cdashed\u201d at billiards rather than were \u201cdrilled\u201d into it. Foster, McDevitt, Goldthwaite, Kavanagh himself, Estephe, Dion, all these made their mark in billiards while they were young men, and as for Pierre Carme, he was astonished the world with his skill while he was a mere boy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      He began at fourteen years of age to play a good game, and he played as well when twenty as he did twenty years afterwards.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      They tell a good story about Berger the crack billiardist, in connection with Pierre Carme. This Berger was a cunnin\u2019 chap, and didn’t propose to tackle anybody who was likely to beat him. He had heard a good deal about Carme, and began to think that Pierre was one of the few it would be dangerous for him to tackle. But he kept his own counsel on this point.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      One day Berger met a swell who was one of a club that had engaged Pierre Carme to give an exhibition of some of his fancy shots at the club rooms. This swell took it into his head that it would be a big thing to get Berger to play against Carme, thus doublin\u2019 the excitement.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      So he said to Berger, \u201cMonsieur, we have a young player here with whom we would like to see you cross cues.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cIndeed,\u201d said Berger, \u201cand what is his name?\u2019<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cPierre Carme,\u201d answered the swell.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cPierre Carme,\u201d repeated Berger, coolly, as if he had never heard of that name, and then he continued: \u201cIs he an amateur or a professional player?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cHe is a professional,\u201d replied the swell.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cOh, then,\u201d said Berger, \u201cI can’t play with him except for a thousand dollars. I play with professionals only for money,\u201d and Berger walked off.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      The swell reported to his club what Berger had said, and after a powwow it was determined that it was worth the money to have the fun of seein\u2019 the two \u201cfancy\u201d players pitted against each other. So the club determined to raise the thousand dollars.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Then the swell sought out and found Berger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cMonsieur,\u201d said the swell, \u201cwe have accepted your suggestion.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cEh, what suggestion?\u201d asked Berger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cAbout the thousand dollars and Pierre Carme,\u201d answered the swell. \u201cOur club has agreed to back Monsieur Carme in a game with you for a thousand dollars. When will it suit your convenience to play, Monsieur Berger?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      \u201cNever!\u201d replied Berger. \u201cI do not play for money; I never gamble,\u201d and Berger walked off.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Perhaps the \u201cfussiest\u201d billiard match in all the history of billiards was that between Pierre Carme and Rudolphe, some fifteen years ago. There was printer\u2019s ink enough spilled on this match before it took place to run a political campaign, or to bolster a Langtry. Rudolphe began the fight, and the fun, and the fuss, by challengin\u2019 Carme. Then Carme published a letter objectin\u2019 to some of Rudolphe’s propositions for the match; objecting among other things to the kind of table Rudolphe wanted to play on. Rudolphe wanted one kind of table in the interest of one billiard table maker, and of course Carme wanted another kind of table in the interest of another billiard table maker, and neither man would have anything to do with the other man’s table. Rudolphe wrote to the papers defendin\u2019 his table and his challenge in reply to Carme’s objections. Then Carmie wrote to the papers a second time, replyin\u2019 to Rudolphe’s card. Then Rudolphe wrote to the papers a second time, replyin\u2019 to Carme’s reply to his objections. Then Carme wrote to the papers a third time. Then Rudolphe wrote to the papers a third card. Then the backers of Carme and Rudolphe each wrote to the papers twice, and it was a liveliest game of billiards ever played in this wide world\u2013on paper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      At last a day was really appointed for the match, and people expected after all the fuss to see some fight. The table was put up and all the preliminaries were arranged, the crowd of sports had begun to gather when, hoop la, presto change! the man to whom the billiard table belonged on which the match was to be played seized the table for some legal reason or other, with an order of court and a sheriff’s officer. There was nearly a row, but there wasn’t any game just then, though it was followed by some more \u201cfancy\u201d card writing and publishin\u2019 in the papers. Carme, Rudolphe, their backers and the man who seized the table all stated their sides to the public through the press. As a show of \u201cliterary billiards,\u201d as a wag called it, it was a tremendous success, but looked at in any other light it was a fizzle.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Finally, after weeks of chinnin\u2019 and printin\u2019, the two men, Rudolphe and Carme, did get down to playin\u2019, and if they had only played their best then all might have been satisfactory after all. But somehow the match was all a walkover for Rudolphe\u2013Carmi seemed to be nowhere.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      First the two men played a French carom game, five hundred points, Rudolphe comin\u2019 out one hundred and five ahead. Then they played the American game, one thousand points, in which Rudolphe came out three hundred and fifty-one points ahead, and averagin\u2019 nearly fifteen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      People knowin\u2019 how even the two men were were generally, said this was a \u201csold\u201d game and a \u201cput up job.\u201d Perhaps it wasn’t, but certainly there was some cause for people to think so. Such a match after such a time about it was a mouse after a mountain, sure enough.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Victor Estephe was a third French billiard player who made a hit in this country. But Victor made it by playin\u2019, not by printin\u2019. The queerest thing about Estephe was that he preferred Philadelphia to New York to live in\u2013about the only man of this way of thinkin\u2019 I ever heard of. But then Victor was always fond of \u201cthe country\u201d and liked a quiet life.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Victor’s father used to keep an old time billiard saloon at the corner of Fulton street and Broadway, and by the time Victor was sixteen he was one of the most accomplished billiard players in the city. But from some reason\u2013some reason that I have never yet heard explained\u2013Victor took a sudden and permanent dislike to New York and left it at once, never to return. He opened a billiard saloon in Philadelphia and did well in the Quaker City, becomin\u2019 one of the \u201cinstitutions.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      By the bye, talkin\u2019 of \u201cinstitutions,\u201d the billiard saloon on the corner of Tenth street and Broadway used to be a New York \u201cinstitution.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Phelan kept the place, and here Dudley Kavanagh played many a fine game. Here, too, many of our best business men used to drop in and knock the balls about over the green cloth. Big money has changed hands here over a game, and some of our \u201cmerchant princes\u201d and \u201ckings of Wall street\u201d used to take a hand in the playin\u2019 and in the bettin\u2019.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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Dudley Kavanagh<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

      Poor \u201cDoesticks\u201d Mortimer Thompson used to pass many an hour here. Doesticks fancied himself, in his good-natured, harmless way, about the best billiard player livin\u2019. He cut about the queerest figure, at a billiard table, of any man I ever met, a regular \u201cgawky,\u201d but so jolly.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      I may note just here that somehow Miles O’Reilly, Artemis Ward, Mark Twain, George Arnold, John Clany, Fitz James O’Brien and other old time Bohemians, almost all thought \u2018emselves real champion billiard players.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Clapp, the king of the Bohemians, used to play billiards with Ada Clare, their \u201cqueen.\u201d They were both a pair of \u201croyal duffers.\u201d Clapp\u2019s style was founded on that of young McDevitt’s\u2013or young McDevitt\u2019s style of playing was founded on that of Clapps. They were both so fond of \u201cnursin\u2019\u201d their balls. McDevitt was the best hand at \u201cnursin\u2019\u201d billiards I have ever seen. He was not skillful in bold angle shots\u2013he never attempted that line, like Dion or Estephe\u2013but at \u201cnursin\u2019\u201d he distanced \u2018em all and thus saved himself in many public matches.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Frawley was a good \u201cnurse,\u201d too. He never cared much for billiards till he was kind of forced into it, as it were, and then he came to the front mighty quick. He was an Irishman, and it is a fact that \u201cOuld Ireland\u201d has given birth to more good billiard players than any other country, except France.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Frawley was the hero once of the most excitin\u2019 contest\u2013a match with Henry Rhines. There had been a good deal of feelin\u2019 between the men and their friends, and a good deal of bettin\u2019 on the result. The two men played pretty nearly even, and for a while no one could tell who was likely to win. Rhines made some splendid runs. So did Frawley. Now one side would be wild with joy, and then the other. At last Frawley won by the skin of his teeth, and a few points. And then Frawley\u2019s friends and backers went for him, rushed at him, carried him off his feet, and carried him on their shoulders into the street, hurrahin\u2019 all the way, and makin\u2019 quite a curious procession.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      One of the most steadily popular of the New York billiard players was Dudley Kavanagh. He was considered the very best player in the city when he was but sixteen years old, and was employed in the saloon opposite the old New York Hospital, of which his playin\u2019 was the chief attraction. Kavanagh used to play with George Smith, Joe White, Tom Stone, Ralph Benjamin, Mike Phelan and all that set, and was regarded as equal to any and superior to most. Yet his first game in public was a failure; he was beaten badly by Barney Crystal. And his last public game was a failure, too. He had to forfeit to Fox by reason of sickness. So that, although his career was a brilliant success, it may be said to have been \u201cfirst and last a failure.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Kavanagh was a great admirer of Roberts, the champion English billiard player, who told Kavanagh a story of the way that he (Roberts) got into a scrape and was called idle because he worked too hard.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

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John Roberts, English Billiards Champion<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n

      Roberts was about twelve years old, and was already wild about billiards. He studied the game, played it, worked at it day and night, worked harder than he ever did at anythin\u2019 else, and really deserved encouragement for his industry and skill in this department, but he didn’t get it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      His grandfather got amusin\u2019 himself playin\u2019 with Roberts, and at first, when the old man beat the boy, he praised the boy, and said he liked to see young people enjoyin\u2019 \u2018emselves.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      But when the boy worked harder at learnin\u2019 how to play, and finally, by dint of resolute perseverance, so improved that he beat the old man, then the old man got mad, and actually called him an idle lad\u2013idle, when he worked at a billiard table eight or ten hours a day\u2013and had him apprenticed to learn a trade. So much for beatin\u2019 one\u2019s grandfather.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Everyone familiar with billiard history will remember Snyder, a German by birth, who was known as \u201cthe Teutonic champion.\u201d He had bad luck in several of his public contests.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      One match in which he was to play against John W. Coon, was won by Coon without his makin\u2019 a shot, simply by Snyder’s fallin\u2019 sick. Snyder wanted to play Coon the worst kind, but his doctor wouldn’t let him\u2013said it was as much as Snyder’s life was worth to try. So Snyder had to abandon that match, but, spite of his doctor\u2019s warning, Snyder took a chance of dyin\u2019, and within a week challenged Coon to play another match with him, played the match and won it.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

      Another match was to take place between Snyder and Frank Parker, and herein Snyder had bad luck again. Snyder was by far the better player of the two, and of course was only too anxious to prove it. And for all I know, Frank Parker may not have had any hand in what happened, but at any rate, as soon as Frank Parker’s friends saw that their man was bound to be beaten, they set to work, and as a chap said, \u201ccaromed with their lungs.\u201d They yelled, and swore, and threatened and frightened poor Snyder out of his wits. Finally one big fellow took hold of Snyder and threatened to play billiards with Snyder himself for cue if he didn’t give in, which Snyder accordingly did. This idea of making a player serve as his own billiard cue has always struck me as bein\u2019 a decidedly original idea in billiards.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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